Ukraine Missing a vehicle!?!

[Stagler]

They are daily rations rather than meal rations though IIRC. 

 

Yes, of which our daily rations are composed of many meal rations because thats what a daily ration pack generally is.

A foot square cardboard box with pouches and other "goodies" inside.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Stagler

[ikalugin]

Also one of the things Russia lacks I think is the new MANPADS set - Verba.

[akd]

Verba is going to VDV first, so is ripe for module content.

[BTR]

What the Ukrainians are missing are T-64B1M. That tank is a lot more proliferated than the included BM Oplot, and has seen action (and destruction) over at NVR territory.  

[panzersaurkrautwerfer]

 

 

Is that intended to be inflamotory?

 

Simply a light hearted jab at how many of these threads seem to turn into "well in 2015 Aramta will....." threads.  When the thing actually rolls on May 9th, and exists outside of strongly being implied to exist, I'll be more interested, but it's feeling a lot like the old FCS at this point in terms of a wundertrack that's all of so many months away from being available/capable/etc.

[Ghost of Charlemagne]

Would Ukraine be able to afford to mass produce a T-64 derived IFV? To my understanding they are more or less broke?

[ikalugin]

T64E and BMP64 would certainly be an interesting combo.

 

The problem that Ukraine faces is that it was selling the less worn out T72s (with mods) and was about to shift to T64 sales b/c of T72 chassis shortages. The problem with T64 reserves is that a lot of them were not stored properly like those in Kharkiv:

[John Kettler]

ikalugin,

 

Their storage conditions, and concealment from observation, should improve shortly, judging by the trees sprouting up in the background part of the huge tank park. I find the diversity of paint schemes and the condition of track guards, side skirts and such on the T-64s in front to be most intriguing. Fuser could go nuts with such material to work from. The diversity reminds me of some of the customizing we used to do on our tank models. As far as horticultural matters,were the trees to really get going, would the environmental protection provided to the tanks by them in spring, summer and part of fall be offset by the resultant clustering of birds and their known discharge tendencies? 

 

Regards,

 

John Kettler

Edited January 24, 2015 by John Kettler

[ikalugin]

Those tanks are without engines, engines are stored separately (and are already in non operable condition due to rusting). Basically they are husks of what they used to be, as they were stored under open skies for years if not decades/

[MikeyD]

When in the act of refurbishing you basically replace everything down to the bolts holding it together the quality of the storage is superfluous. You've got a finished cast and machined hull & turret to start with. That's the bulk of time and expense of building a new vehicle right there.

[MikeyD]

 

Basically frontal engine placement is not a good idea for the modern tanks which is why only Israel uses it.          

 

I recall reading one unforeseen problem with Merkava design has been heat ripples radiating off the hot engine deck right in front of the optics. To compensate Merkava crews learned to position the gun slightly to starboard so the optics aren't looking over the engine deck.