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Nope not within the scope of the game I think

Reading John Hackett's future history book The Third World War: August 1985 it would seem that chemical warfare had a big part in Warsaw Pact planning. With rear areas like HQs, airfields, communication centres, bridges getting smothered with different chemical agents then attacked by paratrooper or special forces teams.

Has chemical warfare being dumped from Russian plans since the fall of the Soviet Union? If it hasn't it probably needs to be represented in the game as chemical weapons are very tactical by nature unlike their nuclear cousins.

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Despite the heavy artillery (both figuratively and literally) in this title this still is a 'regional' conflict. The political leaders would have a strong incentive to keep the trouble from spreading beyond Ukraine's borders. The trick comes when the tables finally turn and one side or another finds itself loosing. A door has to be left open for the losing side to exit gracefully. For a losing NATO that would involve accepting a diplomatic compromise on Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. For a losing Russia that would mean withdrawing back across the Ukrainian border and NATO armor not pursuing them into Russia. You use NBC agents on NATO troops or population centers and the conflict turns ugly fast. The 'graceful exit' strategy goes out the window.

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I agree with MikeyD.

No one would use them.

If they did may as well use low yeild tactical nukes.

Would escalate fast.

With all the civvies around killing everybody will not win hearts and minds so to speak.

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Despite the heavy artillery (both figuratively and literally) in this title this still is a 'regional' conflict. The political leaders would have a strong incentive to keep the trouble from spreading beyond Ukraine's borders. The trick comes when the tables finally turn and one side or another finds itself loosing. A door has to be left open for the losing side to exit gracefully. For a losing NATO that would involve accepting a diplomatic compromise on Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. For a losing Russia that would mean withdrawing back across the Ukrainian border and NATO armor not pursuing them into Russia. You use NBC agents on NATO troops or population centers and the conflict turns ugly fast. The 'graceful exit' strategy goes out the window.

At the outset Mikey yes. Putin would regard this s a limited war. But, as you say, what happens when Russia starts to lose in a big way. We might see a situation where the Russian army has suffered a big battlefield defeat. Putin fears that NATO will march on Moscow in a 2017 version of Operatio Barbarossa. Putin is sensible enough not to resort to nukes at thuis point but he has access to chemical weapons including the Novichok range. This couldweell lead to significant military casualties when they are first emplyed and civillian losses woul likely be catastrophic. That is likely to lead to an expansion of NATO war aims to regime change and a march on Moscow ad St Petersburg. I can see the Russians resorting to mre chemical weapons use at this stage in order to try to hold off the NATO offensive. Eventually, if there was no political solution and eithe Moscow or St Petersburg was in danger of falling Putin might go nuclear (definately beyond the scope of Black Sea)

Ingame terms the issue would be how to simulate the effects of chemical weapons usage and NBC suits. Might be tricky to write the code to do it of course.

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