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Nakidka thermal/IR/radar camouflage for russian vehicules

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THe Nakidka reduces the thermal, IR and radar signature of all russian vehicules to near back ground levels. It can be used in combat. That would considerably the effectiveness of almost everything but especially the javelin since it can miss very easily if the IR signature is close to background. Any thoughts ?

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THe Nakidka reduces the thermal, IR and radar signature of all russian vehicules to near back ground levels. It can be used in combat. That would considerably the effectiveness of almost everything but especially the javelin since it can miss very easily if the IR signature is close to background. Any thoughts ?

"to near back ground levels"

Ah, well that would be a point of contention I think. It is a very bold and totally unsupported claim, probably more in the realm of marketing language. Where does it magic the heat away to? Another dimension?

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If taken off and cleaned regularly every day. Nakidka does indeed reduce heat signature to background level. This changes when main armament is fired or when not directly looking at the engine block of the vehicle from above. True story.

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antaress73,

It may not be pretty, but anything which can do all this is a very real matter of concern. This is an excerpt from a very good thread comparing NATO tanks and the T-90MS.

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/army-security-forces/t-90-comparison-western-armour-5288-82/#ixzz3IjmHXdCB

"According to Nii Stali, the designers of Nakidka, Nakidka would reduce the probabilities of detection via "visual and near-IR bands by 30%, the thermal band by 2-3 fold, radar band by six fold, and radar-thermal band to near-background levels."

These plots and images tell the chilling tale.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=9554

Regards,

John Kettler

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A remodel of all vehicles would be required for nakidka (to model on the protective sheets) but it would of been nice to see. Could possible of made things take longer to spot, but obviously cost more points to deploy on all vehicles.

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Hi,

Battlefront have been very even-handed in assumptions they have made about what kit will be available in three years time. Have rightly been very careful not to get carried away.

However as time goes on and the Russians in particular start to issue their mass of new and very real equipment developed over the last half dozen plus years I am sure it will turn up in future modules. You can trust Battlefront to accurately model all units as we move towards 2017 and start to actually know what kit will be around then.

As things stand, US and much NATO equipment is not scheduled to change that much by 2017.

Russian equipment, or the latest available by 2017, is set to massively change.

AFVs themselves becoming more difficult for Javelin to keep locked on to will be a big change.

All the best,

Kip.

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However as time goes on and the Russians in particular start to issue their mass of new and very real equipment developed over the last half dozen plus years I am sure it will turn up in future modules.

... Assuming the Russians can actually afford to deploy all their planned new toys given the direction the Ruble and oil prices have been headed lately. :rolleyes:

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Yankeedog, hi,

... Assuming the Russians can actually afford to deploy all their planned new toys given the direction the Ruble and oil prices have been headed lately.

I know.. but looked at from their point of view this is not the time to cut back on planned rearmament. Anything but in fact.

More generally if say you just look at the growing tension between China and Japan as one example, normal history is back globally and that trend will only increase. After a pause for a few more years global military spending will no doubt increase. Even in the west.

This is why I think CMBS is so timely. Many of us, me certainly, have not really considered contemporary, high intensity war since the end of the Cold War.

There is lot to learn about how it may play out if there were a clash somewhere.

CMBS is just a “sandbox...”, an excuse for a setting to simulate such a clash. This is why I think it would be fun for the first module to be German. To refight some WWII battles.

All good fun,

All the best,

Kip.

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the russians wont cut back spending ... Putin sacked the minister of finances for saying they could not afford the rearmament program because of the falling price of oil artificially driven down by the saudis overproducing on orders from washington. They go all in because they expect a war.. if they can win such a war the economy wont be a bother.. if it goes nuclear and everything goes to hell.. well.. the economy wont be a bother either

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they will cut back on social and civilian programs before cutting military spending.. Putin can afford it.. he's massively popular

unfortunately that is a recipe to become massively unpopular.

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Even a non-nuclear war between major powers (and there is very little to ensure that such a war would remain non-nuclear) would be a major disaster for all involved. The disruptions and dislocations of the global economy would be huge and it would take a mad man gambler to assume that one is going to emerge from such a war on top. Hitler was such a mad man. Let us hope that there aren't any like him in leadership positions at the present time. The US emerged from WW II on top, but there isn't much to support the view that that is a trick we could duplicate in the present state of the world.

Michael

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unfortunately that is a recipe to become massively unpopular.

As Hitler found out. Hitler came into power and was tremendously popular. But once the war dragged on that changed, so much so that there were over 10 assassination attempts on Hitler by German nationals or his own military.

A lesson from history that seems lost on Putin but once the russian people really start to feel the pinch, Putin may find his position in territory very much not to his liking.

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As Hitler found out. Hitler came into power and was tremendously popular. But once the war dragged on that changed, so much so that there were over 10 assassination attempts on Hitler by German nationals or his own military.

That is not correct. There have been attempts before and after the war started (although there were more in 44).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler

Popularity is difficult. That depends very much on the group you look at. Some hated him from the start and some loved him right to his end and beyond. But there was no general uprising against him. Probably because at the time when everyone realised that the tides of war had swung around it was too late and most people were occupied with other things like not starving or having somewhere to live. Many were entangled too deep into the system and their only hope was that Germany would somehow not loose this war.

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