GAZ NZ Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 AH-64D Apache Longbow AH-64E Apache Guardian F-15E Strike Eagle F-16CJ Fighting Falcon I thought the F16s and eagles were finished up. Expecting Raptors, Stealth Fighters, Hornets and A10s. Comments? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 F-16s and F-15s are far from finished. Raptors would not be trucking bombs in our scenario. F-35s won't be fully operational by 2017. Hornets will come in module. Air Force has decided to retire A-10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 No point for the Hornet until there are Marines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Air Force has decided to retire A-10. For what, the fourth or fifth time? Well, it looks like it might stick this time, which is a pity as I suspect that the F-35 is not going to pan out as a satisfactory replacement. The Air Force needs to learn that multi-role aircraft are dangerously unlikely to fulfill all roles really well. This is okay as long as they don't have to go up against an air force with lots of mission specific planes. But against the Russian air force...? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 No point for the Hornet until there are Marines. Unless for some reason the Navy finds itself supporting the Army. But I don't see it eager to commit carriers in the narrow seas abutting this theater of operations. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Unless for some reason the Navy finds itself supporting the Army. But I don't see it eager to commit carriers in the narrow seas abutting this theater of operations. Michael The Navy has a long history of operating Carrier Air Wings from land bases when and where tactically advisable. Further, what it aerial refueling and all, Navy carriers could easily operate from the Med in support of operations in the Ukraine. This said, it's quite understandable why Hornets have been left out of the initial release. Gotta save something for the modules. And ultimately, at the CM scale, all of the high altitude fast movers are just bombs from heaven... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsKb Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 For what, the fourth or fifth time? Well, it looks like it might stick this time, which is a pity as I suspect that the F-35 is not going to pan out as a satisfactory replacement. The Air Force needs to learn that multi-role aircraft are dangerously unlikely to fulfill all roles really well. This is okay as long as they don't have to go up against an air force with lots of mission specific planes. But against the Russian air force...? Michael The CAS mission is going to be done by a variety of assets. The VVS's missions specific planes are still going to get OCAed regardless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The A-10 and why USAF is wrong. Again. Yet. Still. http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-usafs-rationale-for-retiring-the-a-10-warthog-is-bu-1562789528 Navy F-35 has made its first trap. A-6 Intruder and EA-6B Prowler are back in service and operating from aboard USS George H.W. Bush in the Red Sea, but I have no idea how many more squadrons may be available for similar deployments. Marine F-35B STOVL squadron expected to meet IOC in 2015, beating out USAF and Navy to IOC. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 A-6 Intruder and EA-6B Prowler are back in service and operating from aboard USS George H.W. Bush in the Red Sea, but I have no idea how many more squadrons may be available for similar deployments. Huh? Are you sure about that, John? I live just a few miles from Whidbey NAS (also known as Ault Field), which was one of the main operating bases for both types. Without looking it up, I think the A-6 left the service nigh on 20 years ago and the EA-6 maybe two or three. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The Navy has a long history of operating Carrier Air Wings from land bases when and where tactically advisable. Further, what it aerial refueling and all, Navy carriers could easily operate from the Med in support of operations in the Ukraine. This said, it's quite understandable why Hornets have been left out of the initial release. Gotta save something for the modules. And ultimately, at the CM scale, all of the high altitude fast movers are just bombs from heaven... There could well be amphibious operations against the Crimea in this scenario. If NATO decided to march on Moscow and St Petersburg (this is a war-game so we could say this happens) we might see amphibious operations on the Northern flank. Someody mentioned Asia on another thread. This scenario theoretically may result in the ?US sending Marines into Siberia as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 There could well be amphibious operations against the Crimea in this scenario. If NATO decided to march on Moscow and St Petersburg (this is a war-game so we could say this happens) we might see amphibious operations on the Northern flank. Someody mentioned Asia on another thread. This scenario theoretically may result in the ?US sending Marines into Siberia as well. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think invading a country the size and military competence of Russia with the intent of making a land attack on population/administration centres is going to be a practicable idea. "Not enough manpower" doesn't even begin to address the problems. And any General that thought it would be a good plan should be noisily and expeditiously retired and compassionately weaned off whatever narcotics rotted his brain in the first place. Limited incursions across the border to achieve operational objectives, sure, but taking and holding a land corridor from the coast to Moscow? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I think we will see "maritime" module. USMC and VMF. Hornet and Mig29K and such will be in that module. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZ NZ Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Interesting. I thought the strike eagles were retired? The Russians have been recently upgrading there siberian and other remote bases recently. While there may be a strike on these in a war they would be limited and no ground assault in these areas. Future wars are all going to based over water or other resources. So any scenario is possible. Full invasion of russia though might be pushing it lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Interesting. I thought the strike eagles were retired? Not even close. 219 were still in USAF service in 2012, to say nothing of the other nations still using it. Not to mention, at least one has been used in the recent airstrikes against ISIS. http://www.janes.com/article/42852/us-heavy-bombers-carry-out-more-strikes-in-iraq 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 A-6 Intruder and EA-6B Prowler are back in service and operating from aboard USS George H.W. Bush The A-6 has long, long been out of service. C'mon, quit spouting nonsense like this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_zero Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 With the new GOP majority the A-10 isn't going away. John McCain will be the head of the Defense committee and he loves the A-10 so don't expect the A-10 to be deep sixed anytime soon. With the new GOP House and Senate majority you can be sure the DoD outlook will be different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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