John Kettler Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The FB war rages on over the IS-2 hull MG issue, and brother Ed sent me some (okay, a lot of) links in an Armorama post to make his case. Which he torpedoed without realizing it. What follows may cause treadhead infarcts. Wartime and museum pics. Line drawings, sectional drawings, color renderings. Material obviously taken from the original manuals. You've been warned! Page 12 of the top link has a very good pic of the gunport in question. Some of the links are to enormous groups of expandable thumbnails. JS-2 interior resources Spiderfrommars (Mauro) said Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2012 - 04:59 PM GMT http://army.lv/ru/is-2/foto/631/546/8 http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/is2/is2.html http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/is2/is2_159.jpg http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/is2/is2_161.jpg http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/is2/is2_162.jpg http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/is2/is2_160.jpg http://army.lv/ru/is-2/shemi/631/546#info http://www.army.lv/photos/21994.jpg http://www.army.lv/photos/21968.jpg http://www.army.lv/photos/21970.jpg http://www.army.lv/photos/22004.jpg http://www.army.lv/photos/21975.jpg http://army.lv/image_descr.php?id=22164&s=631&pid=546&fullsize=yes http://www.battlefield.ru/js1-js2/stranitsa-11.html http://www.battlefield.ru/images/phocagallery/tanks/js2/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_is2_26.jpg http://www.battlefield.ru/images/phocagallery/tanks/js2/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_is2_37.jpg http://www.battlefield.ru/images/phocagallery/tanks/js2/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_is2_38.jpg http://www.battlefield.ru/images/phocagallery/tanks/js2/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_is2_39.jpg http://www.battlefield.ru/images/phocagallery/tanks/js2/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_is2_46.jpg To find some other references you could use a keyword for your internet research the Russian nomenclature танки ИС-2 Polish Model 1944 IS-2 (hull MG port quite visible) Found it myself. http://www.preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=430 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 For anyone wondering why the IS-2 bow MG shroud is strangely keyholed, this pic of a Winter War DT mount should prove edifying. The DT's not a round barreled MG-34 and instead requires a very specific opening to accommodate its gas piston under the barrel. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DT_tank_machine_gun_2.JPG Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amizaur Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I found two pictures of this gun port made by me few years ago. It's an IS-2 model 1944 (IS-2m) preserved in a town Lebork in Poland. I went there to visit it, made some pictures and measurements http://images65.fotosik.pl/772/150fd9c048f30e2f.jpg http://images62.fotosik.pl/772/fb69375909d823c6.jpg I can post more pictures (upload them somwhere) but later, I'm busy now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Amizaur, Outstanding pics! Am more and more leaning to the notion that nothing of the DT stuck out when it was installed. After all, this tank was designed to go headlong into the teeth of prepared defenses, so it makes sense the bow MG's flimsy barrel (recall the German close-assault of tank training film) would be heavily protected to keep it functioning. Oh. Speaking as a former AFV modeler, the level of surface roughness of the IS-2 turret casting is, based on the 1:35 scale models I remember, grossly understated in them. Now, maybe for a Sherman... Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Amizaur and MikeyD, Success! At 3:39, you can quite clearly see the interior end of the fixed MG mount for the DT. It's below and right of the manual traverse hand crank. It's keyholed exactly the same way the exterior port is. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amizaur Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Indeed - it extends deep into inside. Was the trigger operated by the loader, or by the driver somehow ? Browsed my pictures and found a picture of it from inside, too: http://images63.fotosik.pl/773/67212cd8cab54db6.jpg And the roughness of the cast surfaces is enormous really . Other interesting videos: - ISU-152 - ISU-152 too - NOT a KV-2 tank - PzIV - recovery of StugIII preserved so well, it could just play a (static) role in a movie right after clearing it from mud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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