LukeFF Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 The issue here is the game considers the Hetzer effectively spotted. So how then to narrow down what "spotted" means in terms of when the hit decals are/aren't shown? I'm not sure there is an easy way for the game engine to show one element and not another until a separate set of spotting conditions are met. Agree that it would be nice if that could happen, but like Bil... overall it's a plus to the game even if there is a rough edge or two. Steve, how will it work if a pre-destroyed vehicle is placed on the map? Will it be rendered with random hit decals or will they look like they do right now, without any hit decals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I will promise to keep one of mu ISU-122s buttoned for the rest of the game, how's that? ... Oh ha ha ha, you're a wily one. Let me guess ...the one with 2 dead crew, right ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 That screenshot with the Panther and Hetzer silhouetted against the horizon is...intriguing. Hmmm, what will happen next? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 That picture of the ISU and the rather flimsy looking bridge is also intriguing - am I correct in assuming that the game allows all vehicles to cross all bridges ( width permitting ) ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Elvis made a push this turn.. he moves Hetzer 2 and the Panther into the woodline attempting to get eyes on my T34s... ...this is the first I've actually laid eyes on Hetzer 2 for a long time now... ...T34 #1 takes aim, fires, and knocks out the Hetzer with one round. Note the penetrations, both entrance and exit holes are highlighted. Finally, the Panther moves into view, T34 #1 again takes aim and fires, it gets a hit (can you spot the decal?), and other than some internal spalling it does not appear there is any damage. the Panther fired at the T34 before coming to a halt, missing high. Both tanks are frantically reloading... I am not hulldown to the Panther from this location. Next turn, one of these tanks will fall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Woot... Great action.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Multiple Hetzer exit holes...not good for the Hetzer crew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I thought the Hetzer was hit in that side earlier in the battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Only hit by the plane from my memory? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 This Hetzer (Hetzer 2) had not been previously hit by anything. The surviving Hetzer (Hetzer 1) is the one that was peppered by the aircraft cannon.. it is still sitting in the same position it has been since then... looking an awful lot like it night be immobilized. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Oops my mistake - ouch multiple exit holes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 TANK versus TANK Two notable actions this turn... let's roll our sleeves up and get right into it... First up, T34 #1 versus the Panther.. the T34 gets the first shot off.. but... well, rule of thumb in tank warfare... do NOT miss. Watch the video: T34 v Panther Then I crept forward with T34 #2 and took a shot at Hetzer1. Watch the video: T34 v Hetzer Here is the current situation.. note the enemy infantry unit coming out the top of KT6... Next turn I am peeling off the ISU-122s and attacking the flak gun and starting to get some fire on to ROT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Steve, how will it work if a pre-destroyed vehicle is placed on the map? Will it be rendered with random hit decals or will they look like they do right now, without any hit decals? Nope. There is no provision for assigning random hits, only literal ones. Not worth the time to create the code for it. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hmm... ISU-122 vs. Flak Gun... I wonder who will win that exchange? Elvis can't afford a 1 for 1 trade with his AFVs. As far as we know he only has 2 remaining (both of which might have suffered damage) and Bil has 4 (one of which suffered damage). The math is only in Elvis' favor if he sharpens his pencil Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Hmm... ISU-122 vs. Flak Gun... I wonder who will win that exchange? Elvis can't afford a 1 for 1 trade with his AFVs. As far as we know he only has 2 remaining (both of which might have suffered damage) and Bil has 4 (one of which suffered damage). The math is only in Elvis' favor if he sharpens his pencil Steve, my math only gives him one tank remaining, the Panther... I think I would have noticed another one by now. In case you missed it he has lost both Hetzers now, one last turn, and the one this turn. So 2:1 in my favor in the last two turns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BletchleyGeek Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Great videos Bil, it's quite a case of "so close yet SO FAR". I hadn't got the impression the wind was strong, those trees are really shaking in the background. It kind of adds to the drama On the other hand, it seems to me that are about to get the ISU's on the Panther rear aspect. I don't want to be crass, but I wonder how that cat is going to react when it realizes you're on top of it with two dinosaur-sized 122mm suppositories in your hands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Welcome to Bil's shooting gallery. Well worth the (fifty-five-plus minute) wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Remember the T34-85/SMG Platoons Deep Strike? Now watch the DEEP STRIKE VIDEO made up of scenes taken from three minutes of action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Splendid AAR Bil. Suspenseful those last minutes and enjoying the chess match, if you will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 The result was inevitable... ...when you look at how I was hemming the big cat in. T34 HQ tank was hull down deep in the woods moving slowly until it achieved a clear spot... T34 #2, after killing the Hetzer last turn rushed across the railroad tracks, with the SMG Squad leading the way and closed off any retreat. The Panther never moved.. T34 HQ spotted and fired, achieved two penetrations, though the first one was the killing blow. ISU Section The ISU's pulled into position, one had the task of killing the flak gun, the other was to reduce the infantry concentration as shown... both achieved hits. The flak had previously been abandoned (I had been pouring HMG fire into it for several turns.. must have paid off) so next turn both will concentrate on the infantry concentration. Nearing the End As can be seen from this overview of this part of the battlefield, Elvis is close to the end... oh, by the way, though an enemy contact is showing in Blau in this image, that objective was finally cleared of the last stubborn defender. That flamethrower team was one tough SOB. I'm looking forward to seeing his kill stats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Heh... I guess the advice I gave Elvis about what to do with his Panther is not going to be terribly useful to him now One thing that never ceases to amaze me with CM is how quickly things can go from one extreme to another. A few turns ago it looked like Elvis could still put up a decent fight. But now? Since this is a QB it's probably a good bet that he doesn't have any tricks up his sleeve that you need worry about. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BletchleyGeek Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Very nicely illustrated Bil On other news, I see that the black unit icon placeholders have been replaced by the real thing. Which means the release day is somewhat closer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Heh... I guess the advice I gave Elvis about what to do with his Panther is not going to be terribly useful to him now One thing that never ceases to amaze me with CM is how quickly things can go from one extreme to another. A few turns ago it looked like Elvis could still put up a decent fight. But now? Since this is a QB it's probably a good bet that he doesn't have any tricks up his sleeve that you need worry about. Steve I think his mistake, and what gave me an opportunity was when he moved his armor forward a few turns ago.. I think he felt he had to do something.. he needed infantry with his armor, too bad he didn't pick up some tank riders so his tanks could get some intelligence. Seemed like he was trying to coordinate his infantry with the armor... but that infantry was never getting across that open ground successfully. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 One boo-boo he made (I think) is he drove the Hetzer straight into the treeline then used Face. What he should have done was maneuvered, using waypoints, the Hetzer into the trees already facing you. He would have presented a smaller target and his frontal armor. But instead he gave you a nice flank shot against a larger profile with weak armor. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I haven't tested it out but Hetzer vs 85mm gun at that range it might not have made much of a difference which direction he was facing. ...Haw haw! I just Googled T34 bow thicknesses and the first thing to pop up was MY OWN comments on the subject from eight years ago for CMBB. I suppose that's immortality, of a sort. A fun read down memory lane: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=40414 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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