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Sorry JT but using a TV program like UFO secrets of the Reich as a means to back up your statement is pretty poor mate. Those programs are good fun but on the whole hardly hard evidence. You may aswell say Pacific Rim film is based on hard science.

If Hitler had a A Bomb he'd have had no qualms in filming it's release and I'm sure would have used way more than one....An A Bomb would have been perfect for Hitler and his propaganda machine would have gone into overdrive..seriously if he did have one or more in '43 we wouldn't have won the War.

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Sublime,

Two entirely different types of A-Bombs, using two entirely different nuclear weapon technologies, resulting in two wholly different methods of creating a fission detonation. About the only thing they had in common was fuzing once released and that they were nuclear. Link covers the post-release fuzing.

http://cryptome.org/nuke-fuze.htm

Wodin,

The point of citing the film was to quickly present certain concepts that took me decades to chase down. I first got exposed to the occult aspects of the Nazi Party back in the 1980s, way before the Internet. So tenuous was the information then that it seemed more like the stuff of myth.

My first exposure came from Ravenscroft's the Spear of Destiny, followed later by Pauwels's and Bergier's Morning of the Magicians. What I was lucky to encounter at all, now, three decades later, takes seconds to locate and under an hour to watch. The film is simply a convenient way of conveying some key concepts to readers who've probably never encountered them before. The Nazi A-Bomb story doesn't depend on the film. Rather, the film provides additional context and further shows the truly remarkable underpinnings of Nazi black program weapon technology.

Regards,

John Kettler

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And then we have a more reputable source. Rick Atkinson in The Guns at Last Light notes on the American intelligence units sent with instructions from Oppenheimer to check the University of Strasbourg. Discoveries in Paris and the Philips factory in Eindhoven had pointed to it as a primary research center. LG Leslie Groves Jr, director of the Manhattan project wrote SHAEF - that Germans were far behind US in their Atomic program. "Despite the Y program's supposedly high priority, captured documents showed the German scientists had been forced to file a "certificate of urgency" for permission to buy "two slide rules for carrying out a project of military importance."

Colonel Boris T Pash, the ALSOS commander reported "the Nazis had not progressed to atomic development as far as our own project had in early 1941.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsos_Mission

The Alsos Mission also uncovered documents in von Haagen's office, where the Alsos Mission established its headquarters, concerning secret medical experiments at Natzweiler concentration camp.[58] Importantly, the captured documents indicated that the Germans had been unable to develop a practical process for uranium enrichment. For the first time the Alsos Mission was able to categorically report that the Germans did not have nuclear weapons, and would not have them for some time.[59]

So we can believe the head of the ALSOS program who knew exactly the status of the Manhattan project and had all the pertinent info on the Status of Germany's efforts... or some guy who wrote a book that stunned JK for 2 weeks.....

hmm tough call, I'll have to think about this. Geeze, what to think...tap tap tap tap darn.

This guy

Joseph Patrick Farrell is an American theologian, scholar on the East–West Schism and the author of a number of books on alternative history, history, historical revisionism, archaeology, and science/physics.

or this guy

Lieutenant General Leslie Richard Groves, Jr. (17 August 1896 – 13 July 1970) was a United States Army Corps of Engineers officer who oversaw the construction of the Pentagon and directed the Manhattan Project that developed the atomic bomb during World War II. As the son of a United States Army chaplain, Groves lived at a number of Army posts during his childhood. He graduated fourth in his class at the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1918 and was commissioned into the US Army Corps of Engineers. In 1929, he went to Nicaragua as part of an expedition whose purpose was to conduct a survey for the Inter-Oceanic Nicaragua Canal. Following the 1931 Nicaragua earthquake, Groves took over responsibility for Managua's water supply system, for which he was awarded the Nicaraguan Presidential Medal of Merit. He attended the Command and General Staff School at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, in 1935 and 1936, and the Army War College in 1938 and 1939, after which he was posted to the War Department General Staff.

In 1940 Groves, who "had a reputation as a doer, a driver, and a stickler for duty",[1] became special assistant for construction to the Quartermaster General, tasked with inspecting construction sites and checking on their progress. In August 1941, he was given responsibility for the gigantic office complex to house the War Department's 40,000 staff which would ultimately become the Pentagon. In September 1942, Groves took charge of the Manhattan Project. He was involved in most aspects of the atomic bomb's development. He participated in the selection of sites for research and production at Oak Ridge, Tennessee; Los Alamos, New Mexico; and Hanford, Washington. He directed the enormous construction effort, made critical decisions on the various methods of isotope separation, acquired raw materials, directed the collection of military intelligence on the German nuclear energy project and helped select the cities in Japan that were chosen as targets. Groves wrapped the Manhattan Project in security but failed to prevent the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from conducting a successful espionage program that stole some of its most important secrets.

After the war, Groves remained in charge of the Manhattan Project until responsibility for nuclear weapons production was handed over to the United States Atomic Energy Commission in 1947. He then headed the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project, which had been created to control the military aspects of nuclear weapons. Groves realized that in the rapidly shrinking postwar military he would not be given any assignment approaching in importance the one he had held in the Manhattan Project, and he decided to leave the Army in 1948. He was promoted to lieutenant general just before his retirement on 29 February 1948 in recognition of his leadership of the bomb program. By a special Act of Congress, his date of rank was backdated to 16 July 1945, the date of the Trinity nuclear test. Groves went on to become a vice-president at Sperry Rand.

Okay I guess there is no real choice. Let's go with the wacky theologian! Jingle Jangle Jingle Jangle More Ice Cream!!!

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sburke,

Neither General Groves nor ALSOS are news to me. In fact, I knew about them in elementary school. Thus, I'm quite familiar with, shall we say, the official story when it comes to German nuclear work in general and nuclear weapon work in particular. The standard accounts, though, weren't written with the benefit of most of what's in Farrell's book, which was written with access to material once SECRET or higher and sometimes declassified following painstaking work to get the right search terms for FOIA requests. I presented this earlier, but I guess you missed it.

From ROBS, Chapter 1

(Fair Use)

The Zinnser Affidavit was contained in a larger report, as detailed below:

The entire documentation of this report is as follows: "Investigations, Research, Developments and Practical Use of the German Atomic Bomb,"

A.P.I.U. (Ninth Air Force) 96/1945 APO 696, U S Army, 19 August 1945."

The report is classified secret. Note that the report begins in no uncertain terms: "the following information was obtained from four German scientists: a chemist, two physical chemists, and a rocket specialist. All four men contributed a short story as to what they knew of the atomic bomb development." (Emphasis added). Note also the suggestive title of the report.

(Fair Use)

This is but a small piece of what's emerged many decades after the standard accounts were first written. I previously provided links to the work of numerous specialist researchers on German nuclear weapon work. A great deal of material has emerged 50 years after the war, but there are items still classified, assuming they are even in the files anymore.

Stinnett, in Day of Deceit, reports that Navy radio intercepts of Japanese naval communications from before Pearl Harbor are still classified. His book came out in 1999, and he reports numerous records which should've been in the files and releasable, but were gone and had been signed out by someone whose signature was complete gibberish. That information involves tracking the NOT radio silent Striking Force AFTER it sailed for Hawaii. That they did this was attested by a guy named Orr, who worked in one of the key radio intercept stations covering Japanese Navy communications. This neatly serves to illustrate yet another way to contain and control sensitive information while appearing to conform to declassification and release procedures. Note, too, that information we now have flatly contradicts the official "the treacherous Japanese sneaked up on us and struck us." Rather embarrassing to say "We heard their broadcasts as soon as they left Japan, tracked them across the Pacific and let them hit us, so Roosevelt could have his war." But here's what the War Warning to General Short indicates was the basic U.S. plan.

"Negotiations with Japanese appear to be terminated to all practical purposes with only the barest possibilities that the Japanese Government might come back and offer to continue. Japanese future action unpredictable but hostile action possible at any moment. If hostilities cannot, repeat can not, be avoided the U. S. desires that Japan commit the first overt act. This policy should not, repeat not, be construed as restricting you to a course of action that might jeopardize your defense. Prior to Japanese hostile action you are directed to undertake such reconnaissance and other measures as you deem necessary but these measures should be carried out so as not, repeat not, to alarm the civil population or disclose intent. Report measures taken. Should hostilities occur, you will carry out task signed in Rainbow Five as far as they pertain to Japan. Limit dissemination of this highly secret information to minimum essential officers."

Cited here and checkable in many places

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/warnings.html

I tell you this since ROBS dazed me precisely because I had been steeped, since early childhood, in the Standard Model and the official story of how things happened and why. Books like ROBS have forced me to fundamentally reassess whole regions of basic military and historical knowledge.

"Physicians bury their mistakes; governments classify theirs." Words to remember! Hordes of documents were given long classification periods so that those involved would never be known, thus couldn't be exposed or held accountable. Also, it's a wonderful way to control how history's written, which is precisely the point Farrell makes in discussing the Legend, the official version of nuclear weapon history.

The belief that the Nazis couldn't have designed, handbuilt and used a nuke is just that. A belief. Further, the notion that if the Nazis had done such a thing it would've been blared forth on a Die Wochenschau newsreel is belied by the hundreds, if not thousands, of things never shown there. Or did I miss the Vampir active IR night scope newsreel?

Isn't it a bad idea to get the opposition all worked up over the threat from your disintegration bomb when the only one you have was just used and there won't be another one, of any sort, available for, say, a year?

Again, if America spent 20 billion dollars (constant 1996 dollars) to develop the Bomb and gloried in the resultant power monopoly and technological preeminence, the LAST thing it would admit is that the now thoroughly shattered, uber evil Nazi Third Reich of Hitler got there first. What would've happened to those behind the Manhattan Project and those behind its astronomical expenditures if the word got out we'd been trumped--across the board? Hello, ruined careers, demands for heads, blistering Congressional hearings and devastating worldwide headlines! As I learned in Organizational Behavior while in business school: "The first priority of an organization is survival." Revealing we lost the race for the Bomb would've been entirely contrary to that core behavior.

Disbelief isn't evidence. Inability to accept painful, horribly upsetting truth isn't evidence. Affidavits, period diaries, declassified documents, eyewitness testimony and more are evidence.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." And so it is for the Nazi A-Bomb.

Regards,

John Kettler

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Unfortunately JK as you had admitted on July 11th (of this year) that you are working for the Rothschild Vampire Kings (albeit unpaid) anything you say is suspect. Now granted from what you say they can hold Earth in their hands, but yet their ships are only 2.3 times the size of the earth. Hey wait a minute..they can hold the earth in their hands and yet their ships are only 2.3 x Earth's size. So the Vampire Kings drive around in space ships like clowns at the Circus? I wonder if they use the SS Jingle Jangle Ice Cream bells? And they can stick Earth in their cargo bay and not think twice? Since when does the cargo bay of a ship occupy 43% of it's space? Answer - when it is a super secret Nazi Atomic Bomb delivery Opal.

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I don't think we should be too hasty here. Okay, we accept SS nuclear capabilities.

Okay we accept Opal Blitz deployment with Nazi black psyops jingle jangle. These are well-known and detailed from several Internet sites detailing this devastating truth.

We have Fegelein and his antics obviously crippling Nazi high command cadre abilities to co-ordinate the war effort; although they had massive technological advantage if the Nazi command and control bunkers were stimied dealing with the Fengelein threat and the internal rot this posed then lesser priorities such as the E. Front would ossify with devastating consequences.

So the onion is peeled back further and we are forced to cry at the invisible onion vapour truths, revealed one by one. And each revealed layer is harder and more onioner that before. Indeed, "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" It is always good to cite Sherlock Holmes as his logic is not disputed and he solved so many documented mysteries when the combined Police infrastructure of the British Isles were left fumbling in the grip of master criminals. Sherlock Holmes ownz Socrates every time. A giant onion-peeler and didn't do hemlock.

And the next layer is going to be more onion tear-jerking. Yes.

Based on the evidence and deep intelligence sources only known to the Paddock, and at great personal, risk, we must conclude as the History Channel has indicated more than once in countless repeats, sometimes on the same day, the Soviets also had their secret black ops programs that countered the devious Nazi SS menace.

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Both the NKVD and SMERSH regarded any ice cream as a degenerative bourgeoisie frozen product. I have seen no 5-year plans for ice cream production! Go figure! I think JonS, eminent Grog that you are, that you are straying from your area of expertise and introducing error! Cite me any Affidavit or History Channel episode? No, none! The Soviets weren't into ice cream at all and if they were it would be proletarian bland ice cream and why have ice cream when there the gulags were in the middle of rather large expanses of permafrost? Ice cream really isn't in the mindset of Ivan when he's standing on readily available tundra gellato on trans-Continental scales. Think blinis and salt-cured fish-eggs of the Acipenseridae family; you're not going to get that served out the hatch of a military truck.

Back to the Grog-box you go!

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Indeed I am.

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Disbelief isn't evidence. Inability to accept painful, horribly upsetting truth isn't evidence. Affidavits, period diaries, declassified documents, eyewitness testimony and more are evidence.

The Third Reich: How Close Was Hitler to the A-Bomb?

Berlin historian Rainer Karlsch claims that the Nazis conducted three nuclear weapons tests in 1944 and 1945. But he has no proof to back up his theories.
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But ... it wouldn't be even mildly uncomfortable or particularly upsetting. It'd be an interesting historical footnote, and that's about all.

Yeknod: tell me more about these carrot pens - what colours (case and ink) are available? I do so hope you've gone beyond the ordinary and have a range of horribly upsetting heirloom colours with painfully vibrant inks. I'm partial to the odd golden ball and the occasional oxheart myself, except they are so terribly suppressed these days. Why, when I Google them I only get 1.8 million hits! How is word good to spread beyond we select few cognoscenti with such pervasive censorship in place!?

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From little historical footnotes do whole Civilizations rise and Fall. I should have thought anyone who has purchased Firaxis latest Brave New World expansion and preceding editions would understand this? Just as the acorn rises to full maturity and then brings forth material for very pricey but nicely finished Amish furniture.

To paraphrase a great Merkin entrepreneur, you can have any colour carrot pen as long as it is orange. But I do have limited stocks of the collector's delux edition purple carrot. I wouldn't worry about the ink, like many of the supporting arguments proffered recently as historical fact, it will run out of intelligible meaningfulness very shortly to produce a vacuous ïnk line of absolutely nothing and then then run up its own carrot pen ass in a puff of invisible carrot pen smoke.

You raise an interesting point about censorship and open, liberal, free Internet debate. Unfortunately, I don't have any easy answers but may suggest quite strongly that should a ice cream van with a jingle jangle visit your neighborhood I would strongly suggest that it is thoroughly examined for known Opel Blitz chassis and engine numbers just in case they have found you?

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Note how the 'ice cream' in this ad from 1942 glows in the dark and is in the classic mushroom cloud shape.

military-ice-cream.jpg

and definitive proof of the LSSAH Ausf. H ice cream van in action on the battlefield in this rare colour photograph just as it it begins detonating (see atomic cornetto just forming and visible on top of vehicle).

military-ice-cream-wagon.jpg

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military-ice-cream-wagon.jpg

Bravo, quite remarkable prima facia evidence being shared here. Note the ultra sophisticated camouflaging to break up the silhouette of the incoming delivery vehicle to increase penetration into Soviet lines. As we all suspected the clear colouring forces the fission and resulting pressure waves to maximum effect of the disintegration, something the Manhattan Project never even understood let alone deployed and is a clear indication the Nazi project was several decades ahead of the Allies and confirms the SS had the better uniforms.

If we look closely in left background I detect some orange glowing flecked with deep rouge borders that shows the crushing then expanding pulsating distortion of the magnetic fields from the recent activation of the secret Nazi jingle jangle as the delivery vehicle races past!

Fantastic yet terrifying find!

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The Atomic Energy Research Establishment at Harwell UK, used purloined NAZI scientists (PROJECT PAPERCUP) to develop a post-war graphite flake moderated V-van unfortunately the flake deployment mechanism was unreliable with obvious & tragic consequences for the crew.

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