ExurbanKevin Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 "Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I agree that it seems like your defensive scheme has worked well so far: seems Bil's Italians got too fixated on clearing your outpost line and made themselves a juicy target for your guns. But what's the purpose of your "counterattack" at this point? Just to kill more Italians? I haven't read Bil's side yet, but those guys seem like a spent force already; their casualties have likely made their morale brittle as all hell and some mortar fire will keep them that way. And do you really want to retake that exposed ground now, especially now that Huns with better ranged firepower are showing up? Just food for thought..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I agree that it seems like your defensive scheme has worked well so far: seems Bil's Italians got too fixated on clearing your outpost line and made themselves a juicy target for your guns. But what's the purpose of your "counterattack" at this point? Just to kill more Italians? I haven't read Bil's side yet, but those guys seem like a spent force already; their casualties have likely made their morale brittle as all hell and some mortar fire will keep them that way. And do you really want to retake that exposed ground now, especially now that Huns with better ranged firepower are showing up? Just food for thought..... It's often good to make the enemy bleed twice for ground; even if the pTruppen don't notice, the player might... If the defensive position was good the first time round, why not retake it if it can be done with minimal casualties/expenditure of materiel? It all depends whether the new Amis can retake the ground before the new Jerries can pick up where the Eyties left off. If there aren't any good places for all these new bodies to hide on and around the main objective, with fire lanes that interdict the approaches, the forward position looks attractive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Heh... demo team scores another success! Not knowing anything more about this battle than you guys, I'd say the reason to counter attack is to keep the enemy off balance. Especially if there are enemy reinforcements in play. Double especially if they are quality reinforcements. That said, I'd do a cautious counter attack. First sign of significant resistance I'd either stand my ground or even pull back a bit. Overextension is so easy to do, so hard to fix! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Let's not forget the *purpose* of this battle is not to win or lose but to show off the pretty new game. A prudent commander might hide his reinforcements behind the building complex and wait for 20 turns. But you won't get any 'action shots' out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Heh... demo team scores another success!... I had a TH team use a demo charge like a grenade on advancing infantry, just recently... Wasn't expecting that; but had been speculating about trying to time a Blast command to catch the opposition as they snuggled up to a piece of Bocage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Bah! Your PURPOSE "commander" is to COMMAND, not to idle away the time. Troops are there to ATTACK. The best defense is an ATTACK! The best attack is a BIGGER attack! The key to victory is willpower. By shoving new troops on the attack over the bodies of their dead comrades you will display to the enemy commander how your willpower cannot be broken. Victory will be yours if you ATTACK. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Bah! Your PURPOSE "commander" is to COMMAND, not to idle away the time. Troops are there to ATTACK. The best defense is an ATTACK! The best attack is a BIGGER attack! The key to victory is willpower. By shoving new troops on the attack over the bodies of their dead comrades you will display to the enemy commander how your willpower cannot be broken. Victory will be yours if you ATTACK. Ken Want a game ? Bags I defend 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Bah! Your PURPOSE "commander" is to COMMAND, not to idle away the time. Troops are there to ATTACK. The best defense is an ATTACK! The best attack is a BIGGER attack! The key to victory is willpower. By shoving new troops on the attack over the bodies of their dead comrades you will display to the enemy commander how your willpower cannot be broken. Victory will be yours if you ATTACK. I'm seeing a pattern here. You recently gave the same basic advice to some poor lad to send his two Shermans into the fray head on against a Panther. Trying to encourage us to be reckless in the hopes that you can take advantage of us on the battle field? Very Machiavellian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vencini Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Page 2 of this tread. Post number 12. First photo of Normal Dude. Why the steering wheel of the truck is on the rigth, not in the left side? It's a captured english truck? Just curious about the detail. Thanks for answers! Regards 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic#Italy Rome, for example, did not change from left to right until 20 October 1924. Milan was the last Italian city to change to driving on the right (3 August 1926). Cars had remained right-hand drive (RHD) until this time. Italian car makers Alfa Romeo and Lancia did not produce LHD cars until as late as 1950 and 1953, respectively. Battlefront did their research well http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VnTCea9atisC&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=right+hand+drive+italy+ww2&source=bl&ots=yF0dbyfA8v&sig=Kss5mIum8bxU9T-EorNQiqxfN9Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pe39T7jKO4em0AWq6uj1Dw&ved=0CHUQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=right%20hand%20drive%20italy%20ww2&f=false 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vencini Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I didn't know that: Spain drives on the right but the capital city, Madrid, had left-hand traffic in force until 10 April 1924.[116] As a result the Madrid Metro, which dates from 1919,[117] still runs on the left-hand side on all lines. Thanks for answer Wicky ! Now, I know a little more about my country! :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Well at least they didn't change all the lorries over to LHD on the first Sunday, and the cars on the second... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted July 11, 2012 Author Share Posted July 11, 2012 But what's the purpose of your "counterattack" at this point? Just to kill more Italians? I haven't read Bil's side yet, but those guys seem like a spent force already; their casualties have likely made their morale brittle as all hell and some mortar fire will keep them that way. Three reasons: 1. The defenses at the Villa are already approaching saturation, and packing more men in there will just make them juicy targets for artillery. I've also got another platoon of infantry as future reinforcements, so they can be my reserve. 2. The slope on my side is rather steep, creating some dead ground that my infantry can move freely in. In five seconds they can transition from raking the attacking force to being safe from attack. If needed they can fall back to the series of orchards and stone walls behind them. Bil can of course try to flank them like the two Renaults did, but I've now got a Sherman overwatching that area and there is also the pack howitzer. Anyone trying to move down there to deal with them is going to get some 75mm delight, along with the infantry platoon, AND the rest of the hill's defenses. 3. With the dead zone from the hill's southern face I can move my platoon around to parry wherever Bil sends his reinforcements. Better to fight them away from the objective than let him march organized and concentrated straight up to it, no? View of the dead ground, look at the orchard up and ahead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 As I was recently shown in a PBEM, there are a lot of ways to create a reverse slope. To be given one is just too good an opportunity to pass up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Good answer, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Originally Posted by Battlefront.com Heh... demo team scores another success!... Did he mean 'demo' as in 'demolition' or in 'demonstration'? The game demonstration team seems to be scoring pretty big too! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leakyD Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 that dead ground is some pretty key terrain... wonder what a platoon in there could do with some good overwatch...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 ....Die in droves once the Axis figures it out and ranges some mortars in there? Don't see much hard cover. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Bah! Your PURPOSE "commander" is to COMMAND, not to idle away the time. Troops are there to ATTACK. The best defense is an ATTACK! The best attack is a BIGGER attack! The key to victory is willpower. By shoving new troops on the attack over the bodies of their dead comrades you will display to the enemy commander how your willpower cannot be broken. Victory will be yours if you ATTACK. Yeah, worked really well for the Japs, didn't it? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Considering we've spent the last forty years or so buying their cars and electronics I'd say yeah, LOL worked out pretty good for them. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Which suggests that sometimes it's better to lose a war than win it. Not the kind of thing one is inclined to count on though. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albe Pavo Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Or you can be italian and win a war losing all battles (see for example 1866..).. Note: i'm italian! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steiner14 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Or you can be italian and win a war losing all battles (see for example 1866..).. I've heard that always changing to the winner's side does so, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albe Pavo Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Absolutely: that's the best strategy of all! Don't you know we won WWII? :cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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