Crushingleeek Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 east side of town facing west 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 from the northeast 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 American 3rd Armored Division route of advance: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 view from tankers' position 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 A beautiful and natural-looking map. Well done! The west-looking view actually gave me a chill of recognition because I could see the buildings of what I think is La Nicollerie and Hill 108 in the distance. Those of you accustomed to the flat, watery Normandy higher in the Cotentin and around Carentan will be surprised by how hilly the terrain starts to get around this area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Those of you accustomed to the flat, watery Normandy higher in the Cotentin and around Carentan will be surprised by how hilly the terrain starts to get around this area. Thanks! Well-stated. Please press "1" or "2" periodically, when you take for granted what you can see, and become unforgiving toward what mere mortals can see! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Lovely map. Congratulations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizou Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I played through the first mission last night, and I had a blast. Really good scenario and those who have been screeming for d-day beach landing scenarios should check it out for sure. Im looking forward to continue this campaign. Thanks Crushingleeek! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 :)I'm glad you had a blast. Let me know how things continue to go 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 can machine gun fire penetrate and cause casualties in a mid-war M8 light armored car? this is what I observed and was skeptical 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Teacher Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 It can and did, Ive been reading many military accounts over the years and lets just say almost anything can happen and will in war. eg. A Sherman ramming a King Tiger in an open field...big nuts required. A long burst from a MG42 taking out the driver of a Sherman which then goes out of control and plunges down a 80 foot ravine. Not only did the rest of the crew survive but they also managed to drive the tank back out. Basic thing is that anything can happen and its fantastic that Battlefront have included the ' anything can happen'.:eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 It can and did, Ive been reading many military accounts over the years and lets just say almost anything can happen and will in war. eg. A Sherman ramming a King Tiger in an open field...big nuts required. A long burst from a MG42 taking out the driver of a Sherman which then goes out of control and plunges down a 80 foot ravine. Not only did the rest of the crew survive but they also managed to drive the tank back out. Basic thing is that anything can happen and its fantastic that Battlefront have included the ' anything can happen'.:eek: thanks. I love the anything can happen aspect. But i'm play testing my villiers-fossard scenario, and i am testing the mission. my mid-production m8, buttoned armored car is reproducibly having all four crew members quickly (one turn) killed by machine gun fire. anyone have insight as to whether the armor of an M8 permitted this outcome? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 A quick Google says the thickest armour was 18mm frontal, but doesn't give side armour figures. I'm certainly not surprised if the results you're getting are from flank shots at close range. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 close range but frontal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 my test shows that mg42 team will only fire upon an unbuttoned m8, with a head sticking out. but, at close range, if there is a little elevation to the mg team, ie on 2nd floor or a hill, it will still fire on a buttoned m8, presumably because they think they have an angle into the unprotected canopy. the results are devastating 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Hull top 6mm Bottom 3mm Side 9mm Bouncing off the road then : ) Actually it was open-topped so if on a slight elevation you might get richochets in the turret. In game given bodies vapourise in game and crew move to new positions it may be possible. But actually not impossible anyway according to this: http://www.panzerworld.net/armourpenetration 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Maybe some MG shots into the view slits? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 That table says the MG rounds will punch 13mm at 30 degrees. So they'll probably go through the thickest armour on the M8 if they hit much closer to normal than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Thats 13mm at 30 degrees at 100metres. So closer and better angle will all make a difference. Penetration at 500metres is till a respectable 8mm at 30 degrees so remember how little armour half-tracks have. Hull Front, Upper 16 mm, 5/8", 0.625"@0°4 Hull Front, Lower 19 mm, 0.75" Hull Sides, Upper 9 mm, 3/8", 0.375"@0°4 Hull Sides, Lower 9 mm, 3/8" Hull Rear 9 mm, 3/8", 0.375"@0°4 Hull Top 6 mm, 0.25" Hull Bottom 3 mm, 1/8-1/4" Turret Front 19 mm, 0.75", 0.875"@0°4 Turret Sides 19 mm, 0.75", 0.75"@0°4 Turret Rear 19 mm, 0.75" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 where can i find a similar table for US/Allied weapons penetration values? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 where can i find a similar table for US/Allied weapons penetration values? There are a few threads with penetration tables at the "Few Good Men" club. There was a link to the relevant forums not very long ago. I can't vouch for their accuracy/usefulness, having only stumbled over them while having a shufty at the forums. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 Roach has put together an amazingly well-researched historical scenario of the encounter at Le Carrefour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 As designer I can't get my armor to start a mission buttoned up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Tomorrow is June 6th. I'll be starting this campaign as soon as the sun comes up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushingleeek Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 tell me how it goes! I hope Villiers-Fossard will be ready by June 29. I really like this one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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