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    Weer got a reaction from A Canadian Cat in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    I understand that but i saw this dude on some other resourses and there he was to much russophobic.
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    Weer got a reaction from A Canadian Cat in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    What a shame, Steve. US porpaganda mashine said that?
    But evryone in russia know what there is actualy our troops there. Now - we dont.
    Who give you the right to call some thing "reality" and other "propaganda"?
    I didnt watch LF and i dont know anyone of my friends doing so.
    Our state controlled media never said what that was CIA operation. That the IS do that but IS creation is the US fault.
    For example counter-battary gear or UR-77 seen in use by militants.
    If they will wear US unform and recive official orders - that the war. If not - that the terrorism.
    Learn law of war.
    DNR and LNR asked for help from Russia.
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    Weer reacted to BTR in T-90MS, a case study   
    While most of the **** is contained inside "Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS" thread (sorry OP), allow me to make a first thread of my own.   
     
    This is a case-study about what is T-90MS with a bit of speculation of what T-90AM could be if it enters service. 
     
    So, what what we know about T-90MS? General: -Mass 48+ tons.   T-90MS: Armament -2A45M-5  -Main gun linked PKT -22 rounds in the autoloader with increased protection  -10 round stowage bin with blowout panels -8 round internal storage   -PKT in T05BV-1 unmanned turret -Ability to use longer rounds in the autoloader   -Most recent rounds available:  3BM-48 “Svinets-1” APFSDS round (guaranteed 650mm KE at 0 at 2km); 3VOF-36 HE round (3.1kg of explosive); 3USh-3 “Ainet” AB round (500-400m radius at 9°pellet incidence) 3VBK-25 HEAT round (600mm HE at any range)  3UBK-20M “Invar-M” TGM round (850mm HE after ERA, 900mm HE without ERA at any range)   Breakdown of ammo storage, green is the relative positioning of the engine.    FCS Kalina.  No current information on sights is available, therefore I used available information on current export sights with comparable characteristics. I have Sosna-U, but I am currently searching for PK PAN commander sight, as soon as I find it, I will update the charts.   
    -Integrated tank information system
    -Integrated, automatic battalion-level CnC control system (with or without a plug-in to Constellation-2M)
    -Friend or Foe target spotting;
    -Hunter-Killer capability;
    -Automatic target tracking capability;
    -Digital image enhancing for both commander and gunner sights.
    -Improved stabilizer that can handle 40°/sec.
    -(tentative) 4 perimeter cameras that feed visuals to both driver and commander
    -Agat-MDT Independent two-channel (TV + Thermal) commander’s panoramic sight with integrated laser rangefinder. Stabilisation accuracy of 1° min. Day channel sight view angles 1x magnification at 7°15’ x 27°40’ and 8x magnification at 6°10’x7°15’. Effective day “tank” target type acquisition in clear weather is up to 4km. Thermal channel with 320x256 matrix with digital image enhancing with 1x magnification at 2°10’x2°40. Effective night “tank” target type acquisition in any weather is up to 2.5km with. Laser rangefinder capable of calculating from 0.2 to 4km in automatic mode.  
      Approximate ranges and angles for commander:  
    -Irbis-K two channel, twin-axis independently stabilized (Optical + Thermal) gunner’s sight with integrated laser rangefinder with a laser beam for TGM control. Stabilization inaccuracies no more than 50’’. Thermal channel at 4x288 with wide view angle of 6.8°x9.0° and centered view angle of 2.3°x3.0°. Capable of automatic range-finding, adjusting for weather and compensating for gun stabilization inaccuracies including gun canting and thermal bending. Soft-adjusting from 2.7x to 12x. Commander can also fire the gun in manual mode. Effective day and night all-weather range at 3.2km. Effective day range of target acquisition not less than current Sosna-U sights on T-72B3.
     
    Approximate ranges and angles for gunner:

      -Digital ballistic calculator with a 32 channel exchange-booth, I estimate it’s built on Elbrus-4C CPU architecture: 65nm tech level with 4 cores at 800mHZ and 64 gFLOPS.
    -Additional power-unit integrated to support emergency FCS operations.
     
    Protection
    -Relikt ERA on glacis, turret and sides.
    -Protection increase estimates:
    2 times for CE (~800mm RHA at 0 per block)< K-5 offers 1.9~2 times for CE
    1.5 times for KE (~350mm RHA at 0 per block)< K-5 offers 1.2 times for KE
    -BTVT estimates T90A at 800-830 versus KE and 1150-1350 versus CE. with K-5 for thickest turret parts. Please note - btvt is likely to underestimate the T90A performance due to strong anti tagil bias
    -With relikt, those numbers would be 1000-1038 KE and 1150-1350 for CE on the thickest part of the turret over what K-5 can offer.
    -Relikt is Estimated to dissipate >0.6 (60%) of KE Rod energy
    -RPG “nets” on engine and rear (turret and chassis)
    roof has a good slope, which increases both LOS thickness and ERA effectiveness.
     
    Below is the approximate armoring breakdown for frontal projection.
    R: ~1000-900mm KE O: ~890-660mm KE G: ~650->400mm KE W: Inert
     



     
    Countermeasures
    -Shtora system is present on T-90MS, however optical jammers are not included in the demo version we all have seen
    -Both Arena and Afganit are possible. Arena is however an export system with Afganit geared towards RA use. Since there is no idication of how Afganit looks and performs, going with Arena is the only option for CMBS.
    -That said, Arena-E  is also functional as demonstrated on RAE-2013 and is more compact than regular Arena.
    -Kalina FCS supports TShU-1-2M automatic smoke launcher integration (currently present in CMBS I believe)  
     
    Powertrain
    -V-92S2F2 engine with 1130hp (23 hp/t)
    -Assisted gear-changing (not fully automatic) transmission
    -(tentative) chassis management system as a function of ITIS (CLICK as it's found on T-72B3M)
      What we anticipate from T-90MA (speculation)
    Appart from Agat and Irbis sights, one basic change that begs the question is armament change. Re-gunning T-90AM from 2A46M-5 to 2A82 seems like a logical step because:
    It is available and has been in development for nearly 25 years.
    It fits the caliber, and weight requirements of T-90 platform.
    The autoloader capable of longer rounds is installed in T-90MS.
    Ready rounds have been declared (Grifel-1(2) APFSDS rounds/ Grifel-3 HE round) while 9M119 TGM series can be installed to work as well
    2A82 can be married into the FCS with software adjustments thanks to ITIS.

    What do we know about the 2A82? Not too much really, but plausible numbers for estimation.
    Muzzle energy is claimed to be 1.2 to that of Rh120 L/55.
    It is longer than 2A46M. How much can be estimated, however glancing over what’s available on the internet I’d think some 40~50cm or so.

    Why wasn’t it present on the T-90MS? As product placement for the MS has been geared towards export, the 2A82 could not be positioned since it is prohibited from export.
    What could prevent 2A82 from being placed on the T-90AM if such a thing goes into service?
    Cost. Not that 2A82 costs is any more prohibitive than 2A45M-5, but the cost of manufacturing new ammo set might be.
    Armata preferences. The reason T-90AM isn’t being looked for as a procurement item, is because the budget is being geared towards Armata series. If it goes to production alongside the estimated T-90AM, then spending preferences would not be in it’s favour.

    Another interesting point is the CPU unit used for FCS. Elbrus series is progressing forwards, releasing 8 core version for tests earlier this year with a 16 core version planned for production in 2017-18. So are the thermal matrices. Currently 768x576 and 1280x960 are available, but haven’t been utilized in any complexes  
    Sourcing:



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    Weer got a reaction from General Jack Ripper in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    You lose.
    Sorry.
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    Weer got a reaction from A Canadian Cat in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    You lose.
    Sorry.
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    Weer got a reaction from Kraft in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    He did it not only to ukrainians, but with the whole SU. Evryone where hungry. 
    Do you speak russian or ukrainian?
    When i tolk about russian history i usaly use russian sources of information writen on russian language.
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    Weer got a reaction from nsKb in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    That was polish ghillie suit))
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    Weer got a reaction from Kieme(ITA) in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    That was polish ghillie suit))
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    Weer got a reaction from Jon L in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    As history shown us ukrainians will cooperate with occupation forces.
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    Weer got a reaction from Sgt Joch in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    Oh this troll came back again.
     
    Russian air force have SEAD gear too. They dont have the real experince in that, but still US cant just throw all they Patriots into the Ukraine and even then they will be needed some time to make them work.
    Also some military experts, with include of Israel ones, think what Patriots are not that great as Bush once said about them.
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    Weer got a reaction from A Canadian Cat in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    And what so-called "UN" thinks about that?
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    Weer got a reaction from Kraft in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    Yeah sorry.
    But i crushed my chear when i saw you answer and my reaction was uncontrolled.
    Nope.
    Something like 70 in total with the old versions of T-64 form the "stockpiles".
    Thats's what i think about your position.
    They dont have money for that. Kharcovs plant arealmost dead all its good engeneirs are reataired are long ago coz they have no payment for they work during 2000s.
    UA need at least 5 year to rebuild its military industry, but they can do it only if they will have a realy huge money bag. Thats simple.
    I never said something like that.
    All i said what they didnt do it in right numbers ever for they CTO. And as Kalugin said they dont only need good stuff, they need motivated and trained professionals with at least 6 month training. Current UA consripts have only 3.
    The fun thing what UA  president said what they catualy produse them. lol
    And that is true.
    Russia cant won all out WW2 style war against NATO and even US. US just have more cannon folder.
    To have more proffesioanls.
    Like it happend in US. In France. In UK.
    Thats normal for the modern world.
    I have many friend in Ukraine. One of them from Crimea, some from Kharov and one from Kiev. I know what they are thinking about.
    Some of them hate Putin but all of them hate Poroshenko due to total idiotism of his goverment.
     
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    Weer got a reaction from BletchleyGeek in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    Steve, probably you just don't understand what the Ukrainian military are. They dont have any air force left, they dont have any weapons younger than 20 years in reasonable numbers. Actually they have like 3 Oplot tanks in the whole country, and they tank plant in Kharkov degradation to the monkey level.BTR-3E what they've build for sell were too bad what customers.
    They have no reservs left, and they fighting will are too low due to corruption, idiotism of the government and bad organisation.
     
    Also Steve, do you really believe to the words of that woman?
     

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    Weer got a reaction from A Canadian Cat in Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS   
    Oh good old Panzer, you will never change.
    At least stop this useless trolling attempts. The only one who throws crap here - is you.
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