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    Panzerpanic reacted to Anthony P. in Why the fire control of the Soviet T64 was worse than that of the Tiger tank (WWII model)?   
    There's been a fair few claims and opinions about AFVs in CMCW being significantly worse at spotting than even AFVs from the WW2 titles.
    It's anecdotal so far, but I'm not dismissing it out of hand. I've gotta dissent and say that reasoning about how and why a Tiger could reasonably have better spotting abilities than a T-64 is approaching mental gymnastics. Yes, five crew versus three. But most crew in the Tiger have no practical optics for target acquisition: the driver and radio operator/bow gunner have very poor vision slits, and the loader has none at all. Compared to the T-64, there's as many eyes in the turret, and it should be safe to assume that the optics of an MBT from more than twenty years after the Tiger should be significantly better.
     
    More testing though please. There's actually something to be said for the height of the Tiger in explaining how well the LMG team in the open was spotted (height and spotting a target at a shallow angle is just simple maths: the higher you are, the better the odds of finding it. Bar e.g. thermal sights, there might not be all that much difference in optics for this scenario, especially not if the TCs are turned out). Try some more typical/realistic terrain, with targets on different kinds of elevated terrain (there's not many places on the planet with are completely flat, after all).
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Redwolf in Downfall: Enjoying the module?   
    I am also a bit underwhelmed.
    I use CM to experiment with the engine, explore game mechanics and use it as a TO&E reference. As such scenario packs are useless to me.
    The new expansion is very close to a scenario pack with how little units it adds.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Ts4EVER in Downfall: Enjoying the module?   
    To be honest, I find myself somewhat underwhelmed by this expansion. The content I have tried so far is fine, but it falls short of expectations in terms of scale.
    What it is missing is that "big thing" that gets you excited about it. In Fire and Rubble that was the Volkssturm stuff, which was completely new to CM and really unique. Downfall is a big content upgrade to Final Blitzkrieg, but in terms of the Combat Mission series as a whole, it does not actually add that much new stuff, with most of the formations and assets being ported over from other game families. Sure, the Volkssturm guys are still cool, but certainly not new anymore and frankly, I find it a bit weird that Downfall leans so heavily on those scenario and campaign wise, considering that they tended to surrender or go home on the western front, compared to the east.
    Obviously there is not much new stuff you can realistically do with the Germans, but if you had asked me about this module before it came out, I would have bet that the new "big thing" was amphibious vehicles and river crossings, the capability of which exists in the engine, with various LVTs, maybe footbridges and campaigns at Walcheren and during Operation Varsity to use these new systems. That would have been cool and exciting and, at least to me, the obvious direction for the game to take. All of this is completely absent though. I guess the Schwimmwagen was added, but no allied amphibious gear? This timeframe would also be perfect for adding Commandos and Rangers (which already exist in Italy BTW).
    There are the new super late war vehicles and weapons like the Pershing and Comet, but even in that area there is lots of unused potential that would have made the module feel way more unique and interesting. Just from the top of my head: Sherman Tulips, Sherman Crocodiles with fuel trailers (used at Juelich, another river crossing), Super Pershing... personally I am more of an infantry guy, so for those few of us: Why not add M1 Carbines modified for full auto capability, a common field modification, with kits being shipped officially?
    I could even think of some more German stuff that could be used to spice those up a bit, like the PAW-600 AT gun that was actually used at the Aller against British forces. In a similar vain, heavy AA gun formations that the allies overran (anti bomber positions), 10.5cm, 12.8cm AA guns... Maybe the 8.8cm improvised AT guns made from unused Jagdpanther guns, used at the "Düren belt"? And of course, since the MP40 was being phased out of production, some Beretta M38/42 for the Volksgrenadiers.
    Anyway, my point is, the module feels light on exciting new content and like more could have been done with the scenario.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to poesel in How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?   
    My wish for Christmas is 'Swan Lake' on Russian TV on repeat.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to CarlXII in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    You guys don't mind exagerating...do you ? No one...or atleast very few people asking for some updates etc are saying that Steve is doing NOTHING...Or that he has to drop everything he is doing and start to work on EVERYTHING that we personally want to see and nothing else...
    Quite a few people are concerned about the slow progress with the CM game in recent years and would apprisiate some more regular information sharing on whats going on and what we can expect and when..
    If you guys don't care and think that everything is just perfect...Good for you.
    What could possibly be wrong with posting an update report somewhat more regularely...sharing some information on recent progress with the modules, battlepacks etc...
    With regards to the V.5 upgrade why not share whats been done...We have finished implementing these features and improvement...we are currently working on adding these...We are currently struggeling with this and that will most likely cause some delays to our estemated release date.
    With regards to CM3. For starters why not confirm if it is indeed a thing being worked on or not. If it is being worked on...why not release a few development updates every now and then to increase the exitement for product and get the community involved in the development process.
    Personally i don't play all that many other games but i do play some...DCS world from Eagle Dynamics and some of the Paradox games for example...Those companies have a quite different wiew on comunications with their customers and i don't think that is a negative for those companies...
    But if the community over here is happy with the "it's ready when it's ready"...Then fine...no worries 
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    Panzerpanic reacted to danfrodo in How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?   
    This guy is  disgusting overall, a full-on MAGA stolen-election fascist, at least in his words and actions, gawd knows what he actually believes because it's near political suicide to actually say sane things on his side of the aisle.  But let's judge him on this one item: I interpret his words as "I support UKR aid.  I just gotta go thru some motions to make it look like we are more responsible w that aid than before to placate those of my colleagues who are on Putin's payroll".  So I like what he said, I think it bodes well.  And if he delivers I'll have to swallow my pride and thank him, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, just like I did w Sen McConnell.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to sburke in How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?   
    "we all do"  Except for the 117 House members that voted against the last package.  If a bill for Ukraine aid comes to the floor, there is a high probability Johnson will be the next guy toppled out of his chair.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Vacillator in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    I think we were supposed to, I hope that's still the case but in the total absence of any updates it's not looking good.
    And with that perfect intro to a big surprise, I'm keeping my fingers crossed all night...
     
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    Panzerpanic reacted to kohlenklau in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    From my point of view you have these "official" BFC endorsed battle packs that are integrated into the DRM with a license key and such and make a small bit of money for BFC to do whatever. The guys who make them do a top quality job and have the BFC template briefings and I guess the proper playability in all 3 modes (H2H, vs axis AI and vs allied AI). These guys do it out of pride and loyalty to BFC and I guess do not get a sliver of the profits. I have no idea. None of my business.
    In my 2 cent opinion, I think BFCElvis is the only real productive member of the BFC team. He is on top of so much and can be on the Golf course and handle an issue with somebody. I THINK he is the guy who mails/mailed the old hardcopy CD-ROMS and booklets. I think. Steve is 24/7 manning the Ukraine Thread working on his PhD thesis for post-war exploitation and sales of BFC training products such as "CM Pro" or whatever it is called. Charles works 60 hours a week according to Steve. Maybe we'll see the fruits of Charles's efforts at some point. Picture in picture drone video? Flares? Jack in the box turret explosions? You got me. I do sincerely wish BFC the best of success. 
    I am obviously disgruntled to some degree because BFC doesn't do what I personally want. That is life. I moved on and try to extract the maximum joy out of the game.

     
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Centurian52 in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    Oh yes, I started doing much better as the Soviets/Russians after watching Freewhisky's collabs with Domfluff (and fully reading FM100-2-1 for myself).
    Haven't played against a human in CMBS yet. But I started doing a lot better as the Russians vs US AI after studying Soviet doctrine. The key is to not use Russian forces the same way you would use US forces. Prep the way with forward echelons (recon, feint (only works against a human obviously, so I haven't put this into practice yet), pin down part of the enemy force), choose an unexpected avenue of approach for your main attack, then fully commit everything at once to the main attack when (not before) it's ready to go in. It's a firepower based army, so I make very liberal use of firepower when it's time for the main attack to go in. I'll generally have all of my artillery expending all of its ammunition on anything I think might pose a threat to my main advance. I'll aim to have my tanks and IFVs arrive on the objective while the barrage is still falling, with main guns and autocannons blasting all suspected enemy positions without waiting for spots (to get a vehicle to engage multiple targets in a turn I'll use a target briefly command with a 15 second pause, then a movement order to get them to the next target briefly command), with infantry aiming to arrive on the positions they are trying to storm seconds after the supporting vehicle's 'target briefly' command runs out.
    Even with all this though, you can still very much feel the superiority of the US forces. The short artillery call-in times for the Americans practically force you to be aggressive, since if you ever stop moving you will become pinned down. And frontal engagements against American tanks are a complete no-go.
    Basically I think it's possible for Russians to do well against the US in CMBS (haven't proven that it's possible to do well against a human US opponent yet, so maybe I need to hop into CMBS and see if I can find an opponent). Though it's certainly harder than the US against the Soviets in CMCW. Probably not possible for the Syrians to do much against the US in CMSF2 though (maybe if you do everything perfectly you could inflict a few more casualties while losing).
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    Panzerpanic reacted to ThathumanHayden in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    Oh, and Freewhisky and Domfluff. They have great Soviet tutorials.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to ThathumanHayden in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    Many on-topic posts about the year to come😉. Also, in CMCW, if the Soviet second-generation tanks are not working for you, look at some of Hapless' stuff. Used well they are very formidable. Not too much you can really do against a good opponent in SF2 or CMBS against the Americans though😕
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Centurian52 in Annual look at the year to come - 2023   
    I'll take your word for it that you're not pro-Russian. But you are clearly getting your information from Russian propaganda. It has been obvious since last April that Russia is going to lose this war. That comes with the caveat that victory conditions are asymmetric. Russian defeat does not automatically mean Ukrainian victory. Russia has already lost this war, and there is absolutely nothing that can change that now. Ukrainian victory has not yet been assured, though it is very likely. In fact the only way that Ukraine could lose at this point is if western support evaporates. So long as western support remains strong, Ukraine cannot lose.
    Yes, Ukraine is still struggling with corruption. They are not more corrupt than Russia (they aren't even as corrupt as Russia (even in 2014 Ukraine was still only the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe after Russia)). They are struggling with the same corruption that all former-Soviet/Warsaw Pact and Russia-aligned states struggle with. Notably, all former Soviet/Warsaw Pact states which realigned away from Russia have drastically reduced corruption and increased economic prosperity compared to when they were aligned with/part of the Soviet Union/Russia. We are seeing signs of the same trends in Ukraine. A single decade is far too little time to eliminate all of the corruption that comes with formerly being aligned with Russia, but they are making impressive progress.
    There is zero chance of this becoming WW3. Even if war broke out between Russia and NATO (which is basically impossible, considering that Russia has no available forces to attack NATO with (they are all in Ukraine), and in order for NATO to attack Russia all members would need to unanimously agree on something), Russia just isn't a world war-class threat (modern day Russia is not the Soviet Union, and it is not modern day China). It would be a big war, but not a world war (by any reasonable standard).
    Stopping the war would overwhelmingly benefit Russia and hurt Ukraine. It would give Russia a chance to rebuild their forces, absorb lessons, and retrain under peacetime conditions. It would undo so much of the progress that has been made towards defeating them. And remember that Russians do not keep to their agreements. Any agreement that is made with Russia will be broken by Russia. Peace now along the current borders will result in Russia invading again in a few years. They will have a better starting position, they will have produced more modern equipment, and they will not underestimate the Ukrainians next time. If we stop the war now then far more people will be killed in the inevitable next war than if we see the current war through. Seeing the current war through will make it possible to more completely defeat the Russian army, allow the Ukrainian army to reestablish itself along more defensible borders, and make it easier to accept Ukraine as a full NATO member, all of which will drastically reduce the threat of future Russian invasions. 
    Another reason not to stop the war right now is the importance of deterring future wars started by other would-be invaders. Allowing Russia to keep any part of Ukrainian territory sends the message that land grabs work. Part of the modern rules-based order is that invading your neighbor is no longer a legitimate way of settling territorial disputes (Russia is allowed to claim that Ukraine is a historical part of Russia all they want, but they are not allowed to settle that claim with force). We must send the message that as long as the current world order lasts, land grabs will always fail.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to The_Capt in How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?   
    Its right up there with "be more manoeuvre-y!" and use mission command.  We in western militaries have not been in a fight like this since maybe Korea.  One cannot manoeuvre across obstacle belts kms deep.  This is a straight up grudge attritional match until breakthrough.  I am sure the UA has made mistakes but this continual stream of "well if you just did it like us" nonsense is both arrogant and completely disconnected from realities they are facing on the ground.
    UAS are integral to recon and SA building now.  This would be like advocating to "rely on radios less" in this environment.  The second I read that I thought that this was either some very oblivious US government hack, or a misinformation campaign.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Traitor in T-34 Shockingly Reassessed (Strong Language!)   
    Apologies for reviving a dead thread, but I found this essay disputing and refuting many of the claims in that video with detailed sources and references. Here is the original post, which is split into 5 parts and here is the entire essay in one place.

    It's a long read, about 30,000 words, but it is very detailed and does seem to show that the original video contained quite a number of misconceptions even when it tried to debunk other misconceptions. I think it's an interesting read for anyone interested in WW2 tanks, even outside of the context of it being a rebuttal to the video as the essay draws upon the analysis of multiple respected historians such as Zaloga, Michulec, Glantz and others, which @Erwin might be interested in.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to chuckdyke in Tanks turret facing   
    Frankly speaking the game should have a command for pointing the main gun. With the target arc there is a danger that you lose your AFV because the enemy is just outside your target arc. Believe me the arc is never big enough.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Pelican Pal in Drunken shotgun Mk19   
    You've repeatedly bring out this wishy washy "well we don't know" despite.
     
    - DoD Mk19 gunnery qualification cards
    - video evidence
    - the clear discrepancy between vehicle and tripod mounted
    - service members pointing out issues with the weapon they used (assuming I'm reading  Boche correctly)
    - Combat Mission itself having the weapon be more accurate historically

    The fact of the matter is that there is a clear problem with AGLs in CM. Another long running bug that was identified 5 years ago
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Sublime in Just an Idle thought about perhaps 'revamping' some CM:BS elements   
    Ok. First I wanna make my points. yes I know its a fictional war, but a lot of this work is already done by CW so to speak
    1. I havent seen ANY APS fielded AT ALL, even on oryx theres 'prototype' t80s with APS that basically just decoration because it didnt even have charges
    2. The Russians use a lot of T80s. I can provide a interview with a UA tanker last year who says they consider the T80BVM the most formidable opp because its armor and reverse speed
    3, UA has too many good tanks. We should be seeing a ****load more T64 BVs, no oplots, and a handful of armatas
    4. Including random western kit from SF2, and oher titles would be amazing
    5. The RU army ... its ok we all fell for it.  They dont have T90s like that ,the rarity should AT THE LEAST go up A TON.  But also like they should have more older kit, the B3s, all that stuff should be more expensive, and less common..  Yes itd be a n 00B nightmare bu just sayin, Im surpsied noone saw this coming as far as tanks given the Russians were saying in 2014 thered be 3k armaatas by 2020, or that their aps can kill an APFSDS from a 120mm. Their S400 cant even hit a HIMARS rocket from the 90s lol
    6. Suicide drones.  They scare the **** out of me and would love tosee them in
    7. more drones, give UA drones that can drop a grenade or make a grenade equivalent boom
    yeah Im sure this is NOT a priority, its a fictional war and Im sure theres more pressure to expand the current force pool
    But its the only thing thatd really rekindle my love that game. Im just.. burnt out.
     
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    Panzerpanic reacted to The_Capt in Frustration with CMCW - Russian side   
    The other area of improvement is the effect of artillery on armoured vehicles.  The current CM engine is not reflecting realities we are seeing in the war in Ukraine, I do believe a revisit is in order on just how vulnerable tanks are to heavy indirect fires.  This will have a big impact on CW as the Soviets were an artillery heavy force.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to Aragorn2002 in Combat Mission Cold War - British Army On the Rhine   
    Is it perhaps please possible to have some screenshot for the upcoming British module?
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    Panzerpanic reacted to domfluff in Combat Mission Cold War - British Army On the Rhine   
    So yes, but that's besides the point
    Scimitar in particular is an excellent platform for precisely the task it was designed for - a small, fast light recce vehicle with the power to overmatch Soviet recce if necessary. That should be something demonstrable in cmcw, but not really something you can see in cmsf.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to The_Capt in Combat Mission Cold War - British Army On the Rhine   
    Well that is a loaded question to be honest.  Bil H will no doubt chime in but a few factors came into play as I recall:
    - Resources.  We can take a really good shot at BAOR and not cripple ourselves in development for years - along with the other BFC titles.  The core team is pretty small and we were looking for a quick, but solid, follow up to the main game.  Germany would have been a lot more work, as would  any other NATO nations, and the French were just a non-starter.  Those modules will take much longer, particularly in vehicle modelling and artwork.  BAOR had a lot of new vehicle models but much more manageable in the timelines for a first DLC.
    - Locale.  The Northern Plain was actually where the most likely Soviet Main effort was going to fall.  Hate to admit it but Fulda was a bit of a sideshow in the overall Soviet plan.  It made sense game wise simply because the largest market for the game is the US, and we had a lot of details on this fight - US research is a dream as they put everything out there, Canadians are a nightmare.  That said we really wanted to do the northern plains from the start and historically that is BAOR or the Germans.
    - Expertise.  We had experts on both UK and Canadian orbats right out the gate, which made research a lot easier.  I joined in 1988 and had a lot of my old battlebox stuff to pull from and some old timers I still know from up the day.  On the UK side we had similar expertise.
    - Timeframe.  Late 70s, early 80s is really the “tipping point” of the Cold War.  It was when the doctrine and equipment of both sides was pretty balanced, each offsetting the others strengths and weaknesses.  Before this you get the nuclear armies, which were just nuts. And after you get the  western advantage leaning into overmatch and then we start to look a lot like CMSF or BS.
    - Straight up cool factor.  So how would the UK done against the Soviets?  Canadians are fun because they mix European and US kit.  You wanna know how a squadron of Leo’s would have done…well let’s find out.  Not saying the other nations are not interesting but when you add everything up it just made more sense to do BAOR next and they would be fun to play.
    As to “how will they play”…totally honest…no freakin idea.  We also had no idea on the main game.  It wasn’t until I played those first few scenarios while we were early in did we see that we were onto something.  BFC doesn’t balance for gameplay or market. They literally plug in the data from research and then throw it at each other in game. The balance is almost entirely emergent.  When we do up scenarios and campaigns there is always a level of balancing that goes on but this is macro stuff like force size and enablers.  For CMCW we were amazed at how little balancing we had to do. I designed the campaigns and scenarios based on doctrine on both sides and basically how they would have gone into a fight with each other.  The fact that these led to tightly balanced fights that require deep understanding of what each side can do was all pretty much emergent design.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to danfrodo in How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?   
    Yeah, 'greater oversight' is simply a lie.  The same way when well-documented Putinist Rand Paul used 'oversight' to delay UKR aid for a short time early in the war.  Let's not mince words.  It's a lie.  Biden could s--t gold and apply it directly to the deficit and it would still be opposed.  Congress/Senate/Presidency were designed to encourage compromise, but this will be just obstruction the same way it was under Obama, especially if the psycho faction (MJ Greene, Gaetz, etc) are prominent.  
    UKR aid is probably one of the very very few things that could pass.
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    Panzerpanic reacted to The_Capt in How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?   
    All war is negotiation and sacrifice - all war is negotiation with sacrifice.
    So Putin dropped the 'mobilization' boogey man, kinda.  And of course threatened nuclear war without saying it...oh my.
    Well I think Phase 2-3 of this war were positioning for endgame - Russia's point "Imma gonna take the Donbas, cause that was what I wanted all along...well that plus Kherson and everything I did not lose in Phase I".  And Ukraine's counter-point "No you are not."  This could have gone on for some time longer but clearly things are coming to a head in Moscow.
    So I think this is endgame.  What does a soft-mobilization/slightly-louder-threat-of-nuclear-war-based-on-bizarro -annexation-internal-legalities-that-no-one-else-is-going-to-recognize-for-a-century, really tell us?
    - Well first it tells us that Russia is desperate. Putin and the gang are opening themselves up to significant political exposure here.  You average Russian may, or may not, have actually supported this war but they all had the luxury of staying out of it - changing that is a major shift.  We are already hearing rumblings in opposition, who knows how far that will go; however, we do know that Putin would not have pulled on this lever if Russia was winning.  This is a pretty clear sign of losses and the impact it is having on his war machine.
    - Next, this is not an escalation, it is desperation.  This is an attempt to preserve military capability in the field and re-assert a status quo, not raise enough forces to re-take Kyiv.  In short, whatever the UA is doing, it is working very well.
    - Russia is clearly on the defensive, and likely will stay there until this is over.  Throwing 300,000 conscripts in any variation is not going to create offensive military capability - unable to create positive decision, so at best negative and null (i.e. denial).  This signals a shift into a strategy of exhaustion, annihilation for the Russians has left the building.  This puts Russia a couple rungs above an insurgency as far as military strategy goes.  They are going to try and dig in an hold on to what they have until the other side gets tired.
    -  We could be heading towards a nuclear decision point.  The battlefield use of nuclear weapons has always been a grey area in warfare.  It is an escalation but the West and USSR went around and around on whether one could have a limited nuclear war.  I suspect that Putin might be thinking about testing the norms around this by declaring all the territory they have taken as "mother Russia" - we freakin knew that Russian doctrine and law were useless to refer to because autocrats just move the goalposts.  So I suspect the redline is the Crimea, and maybe somewhere in the LNR/DPR.  If the UA push that far, we might actually see Putin try to go that way - I say "try" because he 1) might already be removed from power by then, or 2) someone will put a bullet in his dome before they drag Russia into a doomsday scenario.  If one does go off well it won't be the end of days, tactical nuclear weapons can effect a couple grid squares and were designed for heavy armor concentrations at Fulda - this war is far to spread out.  We will likely lose our minds in the West and the response will be key to what happens next. I suspect conventional escalation or other options to send a strong signal to Russia that they will be the first country in history to lose a strategic nuclear war.  Regardless, if Russia employs a nuclear weapon, we are off the map, beyond the Cuban Missile crisis; however, I also still think this actually happening is a long shot.  For those in Europe and NA, I would not start getting too excited until strange looking Patriot systems start being deployed around major urban areas and/or in the Canadian north.
      So the biggest question on the table is - "what does endgame look like?"  This is in the weird political space as militarily Ukraine has demonstrated that given time they can likely retake everything back to the pre-2014 border - the question is do they want to?  Do they need to?  Putting emotions to one side - I suspect the West will be putting a lot of incentives for Ukraine to push to 2014 borders and then stop.  Why?  Well some possible reasons:
    - DNR and LNR are burned out wrecks with large sections of the population that clearly do not want to be Ukrainian, so let em go.  Ukraine gains nothing but a couple Northern Ireland scenarios if they re-occupy, that and a massive reconstruction bill.  Walk away and wish them luck with their sugar daddy.
    - Crimea.  Here we could see "neutral and open" tossed around a lot more.  Without Sevastopol Russia is pretty much cut out of the Black Sea, and if they are out of the Black Sea they are out of the Med.  If Russia is going to go nuclear, it will be over Crimea...and to this guy over in NA, it is not worth it.
    - Ok, so that is the unthinkable "bad", what is the carrot?  Fast tracked entry in NATO - this entire bullsh#t goes away if Ukraine has Article 5 to lean on, because that is simply too big to fail for the West.  Hell Ukraine is already armed better than most NATO nations, with NATO STANAG equipment.  Their training is US/UK standard and I have no doubt we have already built most of their ISR infrastructure.  Ukraine in NATO next week is a clear win for the west. 
    Next, entry into the EU.  Bureaucratic nightmare that it is, this would cement Ukraine into Europe economically and set them up for post-war success.
    Last, a reconstruction plan to rival Marshal.  The West commits hundreds of billions to turn Ukraine into a shining example of what our money can do as a counter-point to China's game these last 15 years or so.
    As to Russia?  Well it made its bed. Sanctions stay in place until 1) reparation deal is cut and in motion, 2) war crimes of all sorts are investigated and prosecuted and 3) Putin regime is gone enough that we can pretend whoever replaces it is clean...or clean enough. If Russia refuses any of the above, well enjoy being a Chinese satellite with a Cold War Soviet standard of living and we will see you again in 30 years - we will risk manage Russia, we are good at that in the West.
    So What War?  Well UA will likely focus on taking bights out of Donbas just to ensure 300,000 Russian conscripts don't feel left out.  They will re-take Kherson and push south over the Dnipro up to the Crimean border.  And Melitopol, cut that stupid land bridge and box the Russians and their cronies back to where they were before this nonsense started.
    Anyway, crazy days and keep your head up because it might get crazier.
     
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    Panzerpanic got a reaction from Bubba883XL in 2022 Mid Year Update   
    Really looking forward for the expansion to CMFB and even more for CMCW!
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