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It's amazing that you openly admit that plans. And that western public "buy" it. "Pushing out of that Russian replacers"!  

Thank you for listening and replying. The gap between two realities is huge. What is highly probable for you is doubtful for me (and nearly impossible for most of Russian citizens), and vice versa. Probably we should wait few years, so facts would be fully clear.
To The_Capt: I didn't advocate anything, I got emotional a little, seeing someone believes that "phone call intercepts". I realise that no one will change opinion. And regime change in Russia won't change anything, I can't imagine what amount of violence you will need to "derushificate" us, like Ukrainians use to say. You won't succeed, there are several million sized agglomerations in Russia, Raqqa is small town in comparance. May be new iron curtain and cold war with defined rules can save us. Bad, but better, than big war (bigger war).
And I should believe in this also.
During WW2 some Soviet propagandist published article about Germans, draining blood from locals. It was published, but soon it was prohibited to quote it. Ukrainians also should prohibit to quote something. 

Sure. Crimes happen during peace time, for example Russian soldier in Armenia deserted and killed a family some years ago, it was a loud case. It happens in Russia, it happens in foreign bases, it surely happens in Ukraine. War adds more cases, like shooting at civilian cars, bombardments of towns. But there is a difference between crimes and all that stuff, when "wife tells husband to rape, but not to tell her". It makes difference between badly organised army and "orcs".
Actually it is zagrad otryad (blocking unit) checking documents. I thought it was fun to put it after several discussions about it here.
If you want to know my political views, you won't like it, I am left. (You are far, far right, as I remember)) And I don't like Putin's BS about "Lenin, who created Ukraine" and other right propaganda. (And I don't like that he started this war, if it was unclear.) As well as I don't like Ukrainian nationalists. Our and their rightists raised this war, playing along with each other. Just to explain my position, if you ask, no need to argue with that, PM me if you want. 

Replying to everyone: there are war crimes and still war propaganda exist. Sometimes propaganda lies, someone tells truth, sometimes - exaggerated truth. It's a question of tactic. War propaganda can't be "truthful", only idiot would limit himself during war. And yes, it is possible that there are some real war crimes and this time propaganda says true, but next time it invents fictional new case, using trust, raised by previous one. Good propaganda must use real cases. But it is not enough, they must provide flow of events, so public would stay interested.  

Ok, world wars are "dark past", no parallels are acceptable. But, Kuweit girl Nayirah. "Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die." You know that she was Kuweit ambassador's daughter, that it was 100% lie, right? There were a lot of real war crimes, committed by Iraq soldiers in Kuweit. But propaganda needs something tremendous to dehumanise enemy. "They are not like us, they are savages". Private Jessica Lynch. You must know, that she was not raped, she was treated well by expecting capitulation Iraq soldiers. There are a lot of Russian propaganda examples, but you believe in existence of Russian propaganda, so no sense in mentioning them.

Please don't believe to anything you read, stay critical. When you dehumanise somebody, you dehumanise yourself. You can support Ukraine without believing in this dehumanising BS about Russian soldiers raping toddlers and their wives, advising to rape more. 

OMG, how men can be so naive. Random dude reads text, everyone: "oh, it's a stunning truth!" I remember CNN video with that "phone call intercepts". 1-st episode: "we raped 16 year girl" (to woman, must be "wife"), 2-nd: "we eat dogs", 3-rd: "I hate their medals, we suffer here" (realistic one!). In 3-rd episode actor even didn't try to imitate Russian accent, must be from Poland or Baltic. 1-st world war British propaganda was more sophisticated. You believe in everything you are fed, it's amazing. And that is wargaming forum, where people read books about WWII and must have higher erudition. 

And you compose theories about broken Russian nature, based on this!

Surely it's a long process. LongLeftFlank brightly described it here. Mix of bribing elites, soft power, sabotage, new proxy wars. It will work someday. NATO was slowly, but persistently moving to the East, incorporating more and more economics, like steamroller. Some politicians tried to stop it and were overthrown with ease. Russia is bigger than other countries, but as LongLeftFlank said, it weakens. At some point new intervention, like in 1918, is possible. Not open invasion, but some sort of proxy war, using bribed local elites, during political crisis. Nothing impossible.
This is quite possible while Russia has this type of economic system. If it won't be changed, country will fall. It's ironic that you don't like Putin, but to throw off Russia from the table you need him to stay. You are a bit too optimistic (№7,8 - really?), but long term trend is correct. 
Yugoslavia broke the previous generation. They were really pro-western, like Ukrainians now days. Bombing of Belgrad was like cold shower. "Are we the next?" Obvious parallels, Kosowo and Chechnya.

Sure. Crimes happen during peace time, for example Russian soldier in Armenia deserted and killed a family some years ago, it was a loud case. It happens in Russia, it happens in foreign bases, it surely happens in Ukraine. War adds more cases, like shooting at civilian cars, bombardments of towns. But there is a difference between crimes and all that stuff, when "wife tells husband to rape, but not to tell her". It makes difference between badly organised army and "orcs".
Actually it is zagrad otryad (blocking unit) checking documents. I thought it was fun to put it after several discussions about it here.
If you want to know my political views, you won't like it, I am left. (You are far, far right, as I remember)) And I don't like Putin's BS about "Lenin, who created Ukraine" and other right propaganda. (And I don't like that he started this war, if it was unclear.) As well as I don't like Ukrainian nationalists. Our and their rightists raised this war, playing along with each other. Just to explain my position, if you ask, no need to argue with that, PM me if you want. 

Sure. Crimes happen during peace time, for example Russian soldier in Armenia deserted and killed a family some years ago, it was a loud case. It happens in Russia, it happens in foreign bases, it surely happens in Ukraine. War adds more cases, like shooting at civilian cars, bombardments of towns. But there is a difference between crimes and all that stuff, when "wife tells husband to rape, but not to tell her". It makes difference between badly organised army and "orcs".
Actually it is zagrad otryad (blocking unit) checking documents. I thought it was fun to put it after several discussions about it here.
If you want to know my political views, you won't like it, I am left. (You are far, far right, as I remember)) And I don't like Putin's BS about "Lenin, who created Ukraine" and other right propaganda. (And I don't like that he started this war, if it was unclear.) As well as I don't like Ukrainian nationalists. Our and their rightists raised this war, playing along with each other. Just to explain my position, if you ask, no need to argue with that, PM me if you want. 

I didn't want to interrupt your speeches (I liked story about Muslim Muscovites most of all). But, damn, you use Soviet AKs, T-64s, any weapon in VSU is Soviet with exception to some new ATGMs. Ukraine energy system is supplied by Soviet built nuclear stations invented by "incapable serfs" (thanks to moksha-yakut mudblood Kurchatov). How can you live with such contradictions in your head?

I didn't want to interrupt your speeches (I liked story about Muslim Muscovites most of all). But, damn, you use Soviet AKs, T-64s, any weapon in VSU is Soviet with exception to some new ATGMs. Ukraine energy system is supplied by Soviet built nuclear stations invented by "incapable serfs" (thanks to moksha-yakut mudblood Kurchatov). How can you live with such contradictions in your head?

I didn't want to interrupt your speeches (I liked story about Muslim Muscovites most of all). But, damn, you use Soviet AKs, T-64s, any weapon in VSU is Soviet with exception to some new ATGMs. Ukraine energy system is supplied by Soviet built nuclear stations invented by "incapable serfs" (thanks to moksha-yakut mudblood Kurchatov). How can you live with such contradictions in your head?

I didn't want to interrupt your speeches (I liked story about Muslim Muscovites most of all). But, damn, you use Soviet AKs, T-64s, any weapon in VSU is Soviet with exception to some new ATGMs. Ukraine energy system is supplied by Soviet built nuclear stations invented by "incapable serfs" (thanks to moksha-yakut mudblood Kurchatov). How can you live with such contradictions in your head?

I read that even the Germans didn't inflict so much  damage on Kharkiv. This war will stay as a monument of stupidity of Slavic people killing each other for the sphere of influence of foreign powers. Ukraine is becoming Syria and Russia will be back to the 90s. And rest of Europe will sink in economic crisis when it was obvious its future lied in coming closer with the East . Well whoever planned all this, well done.

The issue is operational, not tactical. CM doesn't focus on operational level (with exception to some binary choices in campaign). For CM player it looks stupid, when that probe units just rushed forward. When you have 2x2 km map and you know that here are enemy main forces, you can push slowly, dismount infantry, move by leaps. But what if you have to pass dozen of such 2x2 "maps" in a day? You will "stupidly" rush at full speed.

For those, who watched Russia's army actions in the past, here is nothing new. March to South Osetia caused roadsides, filled by broken vehicles. And Soviet vehicles didn't become newer since this. Difference is that in this campaign broken vehicles stay in hostile territory and commanders made false assumptions about level of resistance, not leaving enough forces for roadblock duties. Or they don't have enough troops, because attacking force is rather small. Considering "psyops multiplier" nothing stunning happened.

Steve,
You have a problem with the truth. Ukraine has a Nazi problem like here, the famous Azov battalion:

If you want to pretend otherwise, fine. So if you and your chums can't face the reality then go ahead and be the little Nazi you are and send me to the Gulag.

The issue is operational, not tactical. CM doesn't focus on operational level (with exception to some binary choices in campaign). For CM player it looks stupid, when that probe units just rushed forward. When you have 2x2 km map and you know that here are enemy main forces, you can push slowly, dismount infantry, move by leaps. But what if you have to pass dozen of such 2x2 "maps" in a day? You will "stupidly" rush at full speed.

For those, who watched Russia's army actions in the past, here is nothing new. March to South Osetia caused roadsides, filled by broken vehicles. And Soviet vehicles didn't become newer since this. Difference is that in this campaign broken vehicles stay in hostile territory and commanders made false assumptions about level of resistance, not leaving enough forces for roadblock duties. Or they don't have enough troops, because attacking force is rather small. Considering "psyops multiplier" nothing stunning happened.

The issue is operational, not tactical. CM doesn't focus on operational level (with exception to some binary choices in campaign). For CM player it looks stupid, when that probe units just rushed forward. When you have 2x2 km map and you know that here are enemy main forces, you can push slowly, dismount infantry, move by leaps. But what if you have to pass dozen of such 2x2 "maps" in a day? You will "stupidly" rush at full speed.

For those, who watched Russia's army actions in the past, here is nothing new. March to South Osetia caused roadsides, filled by broken vehicles. And Soviet vehicles didn't become newer since this. Difference is that in this campaign broken vehicles stay in hostile territory and commanders made false assumptions about level of resistance, not leaving enough forces for roadblock duties. Or they don't have enough troops, because attacking force is rather small. Considering "psyops multiplier" nothing stunning happened.

I'm impressed that they're trying to use the WMD justification after the fact. They didn't even testify in front of the UN! Amateur hour

It is way too early to glean any meaningful insight at this point. All info coming out of the war right now is sketchy at best. It’s going to take a while to truly confirm most of that information. This war needs its own post mortem first before it can be applied (if at all) to our hypothetical one. 

It is kinda like listening to William Shatner cover an Elton John song (I…am….a…Rocket, man).  I mean the words kinda match up but what the hell….?

I am afraid to say this, bringing hot political discussion. But. Did you hear about such countries as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Syria? Syria was bombed by foreign aviation today, by the way. I couldn't help saying it. Not to justify invasion, not to advocate Putin, just saying.

You guys ask why Putin attacked, I try to translate you reasons that were mentioned in Putin's and other officials speeches, your reaction is "emotional". Ok, I won't discomfort you.

Obviously not, as Euro Association provided closure of Ukrainian market for Russian goods and vice versa. That's what 2014 conflict was about. EU forced Yanukovich to sign it, he refused and was overthrown. 

Obviously not, as Euro Association provided closure of Ukrainian market for Russian goods and vice versa. That's what 2014 conflict was about. EU forced Yanukovich to sign it, he refused and was overthrown. 

I am afraid to say this, bringing hot political discussion. But. Did you hear about such countries as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Syria? Syria was bombed by foreign aviation today, by the way. I couldn't help saying it. Not to justify invasion, not to advocate Putin, just saying.